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we had a Q&A night this week at P2. We didn't get to answer all the questions but overall I think it was a good night. Afterward I received this question from a student:
That's a good question. And here's what I think...though I should research it more to be sure:
Read 2 Cor. 5 (especially focus on vv6-8).
A logical deduction of what that says is that when we are absent from the body then we are present with the Lord. The question then is, "Is that Abraham's Bosom or Heaven itself?"
Luke 16:19-26 talks about Abraham's Bosom (or 'side'). Some think this is a place where people go on their way to Heaven and then they actually get there when Christ comes at His second coming.
I would say that Abraham's Bosom is actually Heaven itself. Luke 16 is actually the only place in the Bible that the phrase "Abraham's Bosom" is found. Though the same expression is also found in the Talmud (which is basically the Jewish commentary on the Old Testament), and in the Talmud it is used to talk about heaven. So it makes sense that this would also be talking about Heaven.
So...if people go to Heaven when they die then how does that work that they are raised at Christ's second coming?
This is the part I don't have Scripture for but I believe it works like this: (well, okay, I'm thinking up some Scriptures)
Philippians 3:21 talks about the new bodies Christ will give us (there are other passages about our glorified bodies as well). Basically I believe that when someone dies their soul goes to Heaven immediately, but they do not yet have their glorified bodies. THEN at the Second Coming their old bodies rise from the dead, are re-united with their souls and Christ will "transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory" (see Phil. 3:21).
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By the way, the passage you were thinking of is I Thess 4:16
Also, the website I've been linking to is an awesome site. It's got the Bible in ALL KINDS of versions and even different languages. And it's got a cool search feature that's a lot quicker than looking things up in a concordance. Check it out!
hope that helps.
keep seeking,
elias
when we die do we go straight to heaven, or do we have to wait until judgement day, because doesn't it say somewhere that on the day that the Lord comes here, horns will be sounded and the already dead people will be called up from the grave or something?Here's my reply:
That's a good question. And here's what I think...though I should research it more to be sure:
Read 2 Cor. 5 (especially focus on vv6-8).
A logical deduction of what that says is that when we are absent from the body then we are present with the Lord. The question then is, "Is that Abraham's Bosom or Heaven itself?"
Luke 16:19-26 talks about Abraham's Bosom (or 'side'). Some think this is a place where people go on their way to Heaven and then they actually get there when Christ comes at His second coming.
I would say that Abraham's Bosom is actually Heaven itself. Luke 16 is actually the only place in the Bible that the phrase "Abraham's Bosom" is found. Though the same expression is also found in the Talmud (which is basically the Jewish commentary on the Old Testament), and in the Talmud it is used to talk about heaven. So it makes sense that this would also be talking about Heaven.
So...if people go to Heaven when they die then how does that work that they are raised at Christ's second coming?
This is the part I don't have Scripture for but I believe it works like this: (well, okay, I'm thinking up some Scriptures)
Philippians 3:21 talks about the new bodies Christ will give us (there are other passages about our glorified bodies as well). Basically I believe that when someone dies their soul goes to Heaven immediately, but they do not yet have their glorified bodies. THEN at the Second Coming their old bodies rise from the dead, are re-united with their souls and Christ will "transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory" (see Phil. 3:21).
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By the way, the passage you were thinking of is I Thess 4:16
Also, the website I've been linking to is an awesome site. It's got the Bible in ALL KINDS of versions and even different languages. And it's got a cool search feature that's a lot quicker than looking things up in a concordance. Check it out!
hope that helps.
keep seeking,
elias
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